Tsing-Tao Label...SOMEBODY HAS TO KICK THIS OFF!

[Once-bitten]

So is everyone just too intimidated by this image to do anything with it?


Well, here is my interpretation and I want to know what you all think:


I know it's crude at this point but it's STILL the best thing out there so far.
Come on some one show me up here!

[jfuste]

Some aid to see it more detail, IMHO:





Snaps from HD-DVD ripped version, done with SMPlayer...
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[Once-bitten]

YES...but what do you think of my example? Close? Not so good?

I was able to determine that they didn't use real Farsi on this label...how?
A friend who speaks Farsi told me, "It's Jiberish".

[jfuste]

[andy]

I don't think the bottom two arcs are connected. I think that is a shadow showing through the back of the bottle.

Cool idea on the label though.

Andy

[spinner44.com]

Figured I'd give it a shot. While not Farsi, it sure looks inspired. That's kind of the direction I took. Still more to do with line thickness, but right now I have limited time. That area to the lower right looks too much like a smiley face.

[Once-bitten]

Spinner...I like this! It's got a better configuration than mine.
How did you come up with it, just looking at the screen example?
The frame on mine is acurate to fit the DeCzar Bottle The final label will be printed on
a transperency, anyone have some idea's as to what type of adhesive to use?

We also need to take a crack at rendering the "fire letters" on the neck of the bottle.
I'm looking into transparent heat shrink hoods that these can be painted on to.

[Once-bitten]

This is an example of Ancient Persion...I see a lot of similarities to the screen used label.

[spinner44.com]

Hi Paul,

Thanks for the kind words. It's still pretty early in the tweaking. I just generalized the shapes and will have to take some more time to tweak them into place. I should say into place where I think the look good. There is a level of subjectiveness when dealing with out of focus screen grabs that different people will see different things. I'll just do the best I can and hope i get it close.

John

[Once-bitten]

Awesome work John! Can't wait to see you take a crack at those fire letters.
Here's another example...though the tax seals are circled (I have these in spades)
this is a fairly clear shot of those neck symbols:

I'll see if I can't dig up this shot with-out the circle...

[spinner44.com]

OK, I did some digging and like Paul's friend said it was gibberish, an Iranian (she prefers to be referred to as Persian) friend of mine also came to the same conclusion - Arabic gibberish.

So I called upon Tom Southwell again. I have to say he is one of the most genuine nice individuals I have had the please of speaking with. Always willing to help. Anyway, I asked him about it and this was his reply:

"I didn't work on this. David Snyder had a bunch of stuff translated into Islamic languages to use around those parts of town in the film and this is probably one of them.

We all made a concerted effort to never use "gibberish" in the film as we had high hopes every part of the world would want to see it. When Run Run Shaw came on as an investor I hoped he would not be insulted with the languages we had everywhere."

So either the translators they used messed around a bit or else a translation is in there somewhere and we have not found it yet.


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[temponaut]

Just found this thread. Great work so far!

John, did your Persian friend refer to the text as "Arabic gibberish"? If so, it suggests that although the characters don't make sense, they may still be authentic (that is, although the text may be "gibberish," it's also "Arabic"). This would seem to fit with what we found on the backs of both the Police ID and the Vid-Phon cards: while the texts on these cards consist of real Japanese characters, they have been taken out of context and in some cases strangely edited or rearranged by someone who didn't know or didn't care that they didn't make much logical sense.

Thanks for sharing Tom Southwell's comments (and for consulting him about this in the first place!). Although he recalls a concerted effort to avoid using "gibberish," it may be that some of the translations were handled less carefully than others under time pressure and/or because the props on which they appeared were intended to be seen only for an instant, if at all. The out-of-context, non-sensical Japanese is, again, a case in point.

In any case, if this is "Arabic" gibberish, then there's hope of matching the correct characters. I think Paul's sample of the ancient Persian script looks like a great lead.

I'm especially interested in seeing this project develop as I was recently able to secure a de Czar bottle.

Keep up the good work!

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[spinner44.com]

Here's another tidbit relayed to me today. The fellow in ID photo is none other than Art Shippee, BR Prop Master. What da ya know!


Photo by Karl Tate

[spinner44.com]

Oh yeah Gary. She said Arabic gibberish. I'll talk to her again this week and see if she can actually identify any letters. It's worth a shot. You did the same for me on the Vid-Phon and ID and I thank you for it again!

[temponaut]

You're more than welcome, John. I'm always ready to assist when I can. Your Vid-Phon and Deckard ID cards continue to be treasured pieces in my collection.

Thanks for checking with your Persian contact again!
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[BeastMaster]

I'm still wondering what the heck the red kanji on the keycard was all about

I think you should just go with what looks right. spinners interpretation looks pretty much spot on for the main label. maybe just put an interpretation of "tsing tao" for the neck lable. make the ribbon seal based on the round symbol on the real tsing tao bottle label.

I think your own interpretation based on the real elements would be a best bet (and less headache ), otherwise it could take forever figuring out what the real symbols actually mean. and you still got a naked bottle

[temponaut]

[SKIN JOB 66]

Found this on the DVD set...


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[temponaut]

Nice shot, SKIN JOB. Thanks for posting that. Another view that spinner44 can show his Persian friend.
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[andy]

The script on that bottle looks different and it looks like there is some smaller rows beneath it.

Andy