BR Whiskey Bottle Project...BOTTLE REALIZED...AGAIN???!!!

[Art Deckard]

[joberg]

The reflection on Bryant's bottle (as well as Deckard's) are def. glass.
One big clue when comparing glass vs plastic is how dull the light is on those plastic bottle. You'll see what I mean with the pic of Rachael sitting at the table (2 plastic bottles on it).

The person I've been talking to (still in the business, so no name I'm afraid) said that a bunch of vacuform plastic bottles were made from one glass one because the production had only 2 glass bottles available.
So imagine for a second if one of the actors handling the bottles would've dropped it ...just one real glass bottle left.
And since the plastic ones had leakage problems, there wasn't any liquid in them (look closely at screen caps, none of the plastic ones contain a liquid).

That's why I'm confused by the full plastic bottle C. Burnett is handling in Annie ...unless they solved the leakage problem for that movie.

[joberg]

The reflection on Bryant's bottle (as well as Deckard's) are def. glass (there's also a certain heft to them)
One big clue when comparing glass vs plastic is how dull the light is on those plastic bottle. You'll see what I mean with the pic of Rachael sitting at the table (2 plastic bottles on it).

The person I've been talking to (still in the business, so no name I'm afraid) said that a bunch of vacuform plastic bottles were made from one glass one because the production had only 2 glass bottles available.
So imagine for a second if one of the actors handling the bottles would've dropped it ...just one real glass bottle left.
And since the plastic ones had leakage problems, there wasn't any liquid in them (look closely at screen caps, none of the plastic ones contain a liquid).

That's why I'm confused by the full plastic bottle C. Burnett is handling in Annie ...unless they solved the leakage problem for that movie.

Btw, none of the main actors in BR are handling a plastic bottle and one is used in Zohra's change room and is tipped over during that scene (safety 101: no real glass in that battle )

[nickdaring]

It could be from something weird like a local Olive oil or something. It's gonna be a long journey to figure this one out until one of us randomly stumbles into it an antique store or similar scenario.

No great way to look for early 80's bottle lots on ebay ya know?

[Art Deckard]

Thanks Joberg. I'm not interested in names or sources, I'm willing to take your word. I just didn't want to make a fool of myself debating stuff that's already established as fact. (maybe a checklist is in order)
Burnett may well be using the glass bottle later used by Bryant. She drops it at the end of the scene and we hear it 'break' (clearly a sound effect) but don't see it.
I would be wasting my time describing things here (reflections, light etc) that are best appreciated by seeing the film rolling rather than as screenshots.

[hirohawa]

But glass can and is dulled down all the time in films to avoid hard reflections so that is by no means a 100% way of telling which is which.

Also depending on the person doing it vacuform has a lot of room for user error. Leakage, clarity, etc.

Why is the persons name so hush hush? Is he really not going to get work if he reveals material composition of a static non essential prop from a film from 33 years ago? Seems fishy.

[andy]

Anybody have a close up of Bryant pouring from the bottle? IIRC we could see the edge of the bottle and that would show if it was glass or plastic pretty well.

Andy

[joberg]

Hirohawa, I understand your point, but you have to understand mine: first off, I don't know this gentleman very well (he's just a contact and nothing more). He told me that he would rather not be named for the time being and I respected my part of the deal. Now, he's lurking in here (and RPF) from time to time and if he wants to chime in with more info about himself and/or his knowledge of BR it's up to him to do so

[hirohawa]

[joberg]

I understand the frustration but I don't want to speak for somebody else.
I know what you mean by no one cares about the props/models or other stuff that was kept, borrowed, stolen or copied during/after the movie.

I'm in the same shoes as you and I don't understand why it's such a big deal for him either ...but, at the end of the day, he's the one who can make the decision to drop by and explain whatever he has to explain.

[andy]

The tough part is that this hobby has always had people coming in with unsubstantiated claims "official words" on stuff, and in most of those cases the claims either turned out false and made up, or at least wrong in it's assumptions (as many of us that followed the development of the Blaster replicas will know). It doesn't even matter if a person worked on a film or not. Without "Who" the person was, and "What" their position was, the information is no better than any other rumor or guess on our parts, even if it is totally legit. It is just hearsay and is not helpful with provenance, and can only be presented as such. In other words, even if we like and trust you, the claims have to be taken with heavy grains of salt.

Andy

[joberg]

Agreed Andy, I never said that I, or the source was the one and only sure knowledge of that particular piece of info...I'm just a messenger in the story. I don't even know why he focused on the fact that only 2 glass bottles were used for the movie and the rest were vacuformed copies It's the "said too much or not enough" type of info as far as I'm concerned. I wish that someone with more credentials would chime in to put the facts to rest, once and for all [/i]