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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:41 am    Post subject: BLADE RUNNER LOGO DESIGN Reply with quote

I've found track of a few BLADE RUNNER logo layouts in a typography book I had for years... The name of the designer is Jay Vigon (He designed a lot of stuff in the 80s and 90s, from "The Empire strikes back" movie logo to the "Gotcha" brand, plus numerous logos for rock bands, etc...)

I've numbered the logos, this way it'll be easier for everybody to comment...

Wink

It looks like logo 1 was the main influence/prototype for the TYRELL PATCH that was issued in 1982...

I especially like logo 1, it would be very cool on a t-shirt !!!

Cool

There's a short note aside the logos that says :

Blade runner
Movie title treatment
These were preliminary sketches for a main title treatment of a science fiction movie. Many of these designs were influenced by the art direction of the movie's sets.
Client : Blade Runner inc. / The Ladd Company

Other infos I can add :

Title of the book : MARKS
Author : Jay Vigon
Published by Graphic-Sha (Japan) in 1986
The logos appear on pages 200 and 201.




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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, I meant LOGO 2 looks like the main influence for the official TYRELL PATCH...
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if the Tyrell Owl logo came first, or if this version did. He may have been influenced by Tom Southwell's work since the owl was actually seen on Tyrell's robe in the movie. Cool stuff and great addition to BR history that I had never heard of before. Thank you very much.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks a lot for your post, Andy.

Didn't know the owl was a design by Tom Southwell, and that it appeared on Tyrell's robe !!!

Shocked

Usually, logo design is part of the marketing plans (along with the poster), it's created "shortly" (by production time) before the release of a movie, so I guess you're right, Vigon might have taken inspiration from a Southwell creation... and maybe inspired the Tyrell patch design to another graphic designer !
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is something else about BR graphic design... It's always been obvious to me that Tom Southwell took some inspiration from the works of Herb Lubalin for some of his BR logos ...

Herb Lubalin (1918-1981) was the main typographer / Graphic designer / Art director of his time. He produced a lot of masterpieces from the early 60's to late 70's. He was THE graphic design Master when BR was in production...

Go check here for more info on him and his brilliant career :

http://www.typogabor.com/herb-lubalin/
(this site is also devoted to the works of Paul Gabor, a brilliant graphic designer who was also one of my teachers in Artschool)

I don't want to depreciate Tom Southwell's work on BR (I'm a huge fan), just underscore that this film was also a product of its time...
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Take a look at the images below, you'll understrand what I mean :




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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Fred !!...great find and great site too !
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks a lot, Phil !

If you liked the former link, you'll like this new one as well... It's about Saul Bass, one of Herb Lubalin's friends, and a master in his own field : opening credits. He worked on films such as Vertigo, Anatomy of a murder, West side Story, The Man with the Golden arm, The Age of innocence (this one was his last before he died), etc... and you can also download this very interesting documentary on your PSP or iPod...

ENJOY !!!

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-1343063261314199679&q=bass+on+titles&total=2296&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interesting! Details like this surface occasionally, but it just serves to make me wish all the more that there was a proper BR design / making of book. Sad

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Fred !

Thanks for the link, i always loved Saul Bass's work and personaly own most of the movies you talked about !...I will add Cape Fear, scorsese's remake of course, and THAT music !!!

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Saul Bass as well and thought his movie 'Phase IV' was pretty cool as well. At least I think it was his Confused
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saul Bass is also responsible for the conception and editing of the famous "shower scene" in Psycho... (He worked on Vertigo, too)
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your posts, guys !

Regarding the magazines created for the movie, the MONI issue refers directly through its title to OMNI, a Science-Fiction mag, we (almost) all noticed that.

BUT I think the cover also refers to the general spirit of the famous (among architecture and interior design amateurs) DOMUS magazine. Taschen recently re-published a vast collection of past issues... (Very interesting but very expensive, 1000 if I remember well the price of the one I saw at my local bookstore)


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a nice reference material!!!! AS EVER!

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Tom Southwell explains in the very interesting "Signs of the times" documentary on the BR Director's cut DVD edition, Ridley Scott asked him to pick ideas in native americans' art.

Here is what I've found...



I also made a very interesting discovery... A tiny owl figure !
I now wonder if Tom Southwell took inspiration in it (or similar objects such as "owl pipes") for Tyrell's owl emblem...

Shocked



Here is a short note, related to the above owl figure, that I found very interesting to (maybe) explain the "Tyrell's owl emblem" idea :

"In their views of the spiritual and physical world, the tribes use symbols freely to enrich their daily lives and ceremonies.
The symbols serve as either protection or as reminders of the living universe, bridging the gap between the spiritual and physical realms."
(The Spirit of Native America - Anna Lee Walters - Chronicle books, 1989)

When you realize that Tyrell is like a God among humans (he has created life and lives on top of a pyramid-like skyscraper) and is surrounded by protection devices (remember Sebastian & Batty in the elevator)...
When you also realize that the extinction of living forms such as owls surely is the fault of economical superpowers such as the Tyrell Corporation (it already started in OUR world), it suddenly makes sense, don't you think ?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy wrote :
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He may have been influenced by Tom Southwell's work since the owl was actually seen on Tyrell's robe in the movie.


Here is a pic of the robe. The owl logo only appears in this scene, when Tyrell starts to argue with Batty... Thanks again for the info, Andy !

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I remember reading they were on his slippers too, but of course they weren't shown.

The robe does seem to be the only place the logo was seen in the movie. Still not sure who designed it. Spinner44.com has had contact with Tom Southwell, so maybe he could shed some light on it.

The owner of the robe can be seen on the DVD set and on his website Shapestorm.com. He may be a member here too.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome work of research SKIN JOB 66 !!!.... Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What a nice reference material!!!!

Thanks a lot for your enthusiasm, Joan !


Quote:
Spinner44.com has had contact with Tom Southwell, so maybe he could shed some light on it.


I would definitely be really interested in getting Tom Southwell's version on the owl logo origin !!!
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Awesome work of research SKIN JOB 66 !!!..

Well, I must admit I have some books at home that fit the subject... No hard research, just trying to grab the right books off my shelves !
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Coming next : 3rd Reich emblems used as reference for the Tyrell "T" logo... Stay tuned !
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding the 3rd Reich emblems used as inspiration for BR graphic design, here is what I've found...
I've concentrated on the Tyrell "T" logo here. (not on the cops who are obviously Nazi in their general uniform and patches design)



The interesting thing here is that you can actualy see an eagle in the above scene.

The eagle was a central image in German 3rd Reich state symbolism (same thing for the Napoleonic French era), a symbol of strength and domination... While Tyrell sells stock-options, the eagle seems to be whispering advices (or orders ?) to Tyrell's ears from this dark area aside the bed / Throne... The eagle (standing on a globe ?) is aside him, which means they're both on the same side... the side of very powerful people.
I'm sure the general idea here was to show that Tyrell is a kind of "economical Tyrant" (Tyrant + Hell = Tyrell ???) who fights an economical war.
(I also think the idea refers more to Napoleon than Hitler, because of the non art-deco eagle and ALSO the candles that remind the general mood of some scenes from THE DUELLISTS, Ridley Scott's first film) (or BARRY LYNDON, of course !)

We can also see the "owl robe" on the far left of the image... I think it definitely represents the other side of Tyrell's personality, the "benevolent God" side. Tyrell will leave his "economical Tyrant" bed / throne to put this robe on and suddenly become a kind person who takes time to play chess with one of his employees, even if it's late.
Later, he will welcome Batty in the same garb. He'll look a little bit afraid by this unexpected visit BUT won't call for help. He will listen and try to comfort Batty instead, like a father would do with the prodigal son. (or a God would with an Angel ? I say that because, when Batty leaves Tyrell's building in the elevator, he looks like an Angel falling from the stars... and it makes sense, since he's supposed to be the bad, evil guy !)


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now your analysis is more and more outstanding !!!!!...congrats Fred ! Smile
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